we will be energy independent far faster than the iea thinks it will happen. i think in north america no later than 2020 i think energy independent in the united states. >> having the ability to do it and doing it are different things. >> we are doing it. take a look at what is happening in north dakota. we know it on the desks. we are here on the street. the people in america don't realize what has happened. you have gone from 100,000 barrels to 6,000 barrels this year. north dakota it went past california. it is soon going to go past texas and they rp only getting started. i think they are only just beginning. i think the iea was way too long in the anticipation. >> traders are saying if we get there as quickly as you say that doesn't mean a good story for the u.s. consumer as we are seeing with what is happening with gas prices. until we see new refineries and the infrastructure to go along with the drilling we can produce all the oil we want. >> that's the big question. we need to be an exporter of crude oil because we don't have the refining capabilities.